as we are on the garmur. after a few weeks using the polarized rocket version i-¦ll stick with that atm.

[Garmur, Polarized rocket teamburner]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket

Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I

range is @29,7 km

orbit @ 20, 25 for the jag.

kill times

hawk (1 logikill)
1:05

enyo (1 logikill)
1:25

vengeance (2 logikills)
2:20

jaguar (2 logikills)
2:00

OH at first logi and burner.

and the applied dps are still higher than faction rockets?

I am currently looking at a T2 LML build due to it being less of a gank magnet in SOE hubs.

The polarized rocket versions seem very fragile and flying very close to the danger zone in terms of taking hits, is their anything specific you need to watch out for when flying this fit.

with higher burner speed and the lack of a second tp it could be.

Quick update. So with running 3 faction balistic controls and the rest T2 or meta the polarised garmur gets me 6min on the vengeance, 4:30 on the enyo regardless if I do 1 logi or 2 and 2:30 on the hawk killing 1 logi. I don't have the range yet to try the Jag. Getting all V skills, at least on the damage seems super important. OH the painter interestingly does nothing for damage (on the logi).

Actually the range screwed me over in some of the Hawk runs as well. took me almost 2min longer because I kept orbiting out of range of the logi.

Quick question for those running burners often, what would you say is the average no of jumps for burner missions? I'm trying to figure out if 7-8jumps is normal across the game or if it's just the agent/region I'm in. Burners are still a fair bit more profitable than 80% of the lv4 missions but it is super rare that I get a burner that's not 7-8 jumps away. It's definitely not agent or corp standing based as I've tested at both negative standing and at over 5 standing.

Agents attempt to send you to a neighboring constellation for burner missions. Best case is a dead end constellation with a trade hub on the other side, as your agent wont try to send you through a busy system most of the time. I'm not sure how this interacts with empire to nullsec jumps, or NPC to sov null.

I usually don't worry too much about lowsec burners, that said that could easily vary depending on what the near by lowsec systems are. Playing late night in a nearly dead area isn't too scary.

my average is 1-2 jumps, rarely in system, and rarely ~5 jumps which I usually just decline. At my last agent it was 5-6 systems almost all the time.

at what range do teams activate webs?

Thank you

i've never really played missiles up until recently - what is considered better for Teams's logis - a MissGuidance comp with precission scrip or a second TP?

I dont get it .. no one seems to be having any issues with these burner missions haha

I just started trying first missions and i die over and over :) i just laugh at it now but was pretty pissed at some point !

What the heck is the magic and yes i have been reading first page ive been reading all i come over .. and the youtube videos ive found shows totally different engagements (one on one engagements with npcs miles away from each other taking them out 1vs1 or some videos where the player isnt even beeing hit) far from my reality :)

The one i tried so far Anomic Team .. First one was impossible warp through gate and land on top of 3 npcs..
Current one also anomic team just little different.. i mean ive been reading up as the boss had mjoelner i put on some extra EM resistance on shields.. so i warp in and started better as npcs group of 3 was around 40 clics from me so i mwd away from them trying to split them up to take them 1 at a time.. so i engaged one of them got him to armor then his buddies came and i was scrambled and applepied.

I might be using totally wrong ship ? but from Forums it seems people use even less expensive frigs and make it off?

This is the current one ive tried with i mean it feels good however i cant take them on 1 vs 3 .. so any ideas? might be i simply suck at these kind of engagements however i would hope that its just something im missing..

[Hawk, Hawk Burner EM]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Small C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
EM Ward Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I

'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II



Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket x3000
Navy Cap Booster 200 x33

Jam out the sentinels maybe? hmmm

No wait, does "Immune to offensive modifiers" mean they can't be jammed?

Well, it works. With honestly an embarrassingly large amount of skills lacking, it works. Decided to go hard mode first and use the cheap fit. I kinda expected to die but I managed it without so much as a scratch on the paint. I didn't time it, will probably time the next one with the pimped fit. For reference I have Caldari cruiser 4, Warhead upgrades 3, Light missile spec 3 (thought I had 4 ), rapid launch 4, target navigation and guided missile precision 3.

[Orthrus, Ashimu Burner]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
[empty high slot]
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Hornet II x5

Basically turn on the DCUII, OH the RLML and start shooting at the closest sentinel (15km/s missiles woo). Launch drones as soon as they start shooting at you and OH the ASB and run it full blast. The first sentinel should die and you'll have 8-10 missiles left. if you have the skills or perhaps the bling fit you should be able to kill both sentinels in a single clip. Regardless reload Fury scourge, recall drones (I lost 1 drone by this time) and kill the Ashimu. I was kinda running out of time (ran out of charges, had 27 in cargo and 9 in the booster) so I had to keep my drones out to distract and do a little bit of damage. Ended up with 1 drone left but close to full shields. It helps to keep transversal up manually. Orbit at 13km might work too.

If I had to make an educated guess based on how many rounds I spent I'd say 7min for the site with the cheap fit with scrub tier skills.

[Orthrus, Ashimu Burner pimped]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Gistum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
[empty high slot]
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Hornet II x5

Now you can get a 'stronger' tank by going for more raw shield HP. problem with that is the ASB wont be able to keep up. My tanking skills are close to 100% and it was close or my hull would have seen a few scratches. With better DPS skills and the bling fit though you should be able to kill both sentinels before you reload.

No, you misunderstand, that first fit and my listed skills is what I actually ran he mission with. as in I completed the ashimu burner with that exact fit in around 7min on tranquility.

I'll time the bling fit for my next run.

6minutes with the pimped fit, including looting, from initiating warp at acceleration gate to warping out. I even had a full ASB left and lost none of my drones.

Cool Story

Each minute is worth 3,(3)m. So he wastes 6,(6)m. Thats assuming 200m/hr


Just tought I put this argument into perspective

Haha, it's like talking to a wall


I actually had that happen to me once. the first one went great, 5min. The one after that took me 10min, then it was 8min and I think irrc the one after that was closer to 6min again. Random ass frustrating BS.

And no, there's nothing you can do to guarantee the rats behavior, I've tried doing the exact same thing and get a different result every single time. yes yes *insert your personal insults on my drone competency here* but that's a whole lot of BS too. I'm not the only one experiencing this and there are far more experienced people that have the same issue. Of course you don't hate their guts, only mine for some reason so whatever

I have entertained the idea of recording stuff plenty of times. Unfortunately the realities of where I live and the internet and bandwidth I have available to me make that an iffy prospect at best. But hay, it's only 6minutes right? I'll look into it.

And as I've demonstrated plenty of times, I have the utmost respect for those that developed these builds, heck I use most of them as is or only slightly modified. I reference back to them plenty of times and give credit where credit is due. Doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement as certain aspects change, from drone aggro to cost of modules/ships changing. This particular build for example is a natural evolution of the Cerberus fit I linked to specifically. The hull does not cost more than a gila hull and the cheap fit at all V (no implants) does more sustained dps than what I get with my skills from my pimped fit. The fit I get 6min including loot. That's 1 minute more than the gila fit. Difference here is that it's 6min every single time, no random BS and *NO* chance of death even if you're slow on the rep, again as I said and you ignored with a 'cool story'.

I post the fits so people with more advanced character skills can try it out and suggest improvements or point out actual flaws, exactly because I respect their opinions. You just insult my drone handling skills.

So what's the best way to use alts to decrease risk and ISK investment when running burner missions?

I have not flown it since the patch however you basically lose the BCU, which should have zero effect on the passive tank and (bearing in mind your main DPS is the drones) a pretty minimal effect on overall DPS.

The first two fights I had I didn't lose a drone, since then I've lost a lot of drones. I tried flying an ecm gila it seemed to work for a moment and then full aggro went on my drones.

this will hurt your isk/hour what will you do now gimini gillickers

Is there a viable non Gila-based alternative for the Ashimmu Burner?

Interesting. Have a fit or link to a fit I could check out?